Thursday, August 14, 2008

Wrinkles or Cancer, is that the choice?

God damn it, there's always something. Observe from the UK Indo...

"Moisturisers used by millions every day may be increasing the risk of common skin cancers, scientists have warned.

Most such creams have never been tested for their cancer-causing effect on the skin. Now scientists have found that they increase the carcinogenic effect of sunlight in mice.

The skin cancers involved are common in humans. Although mostly non-fatal and easily removed, deaths do occur, especially from squamous cell cancers. These are distinct from melanoma, the less common form of skin cancer, which causes over 1,000 deaths a year in the UK but was not the subject of the research.

Experiments on mice had shown that when caffeine was given orally or applied direct to the skin, it appeared to inhibit cancer. Scientists at Rutgers University, New Jersey, planned to test caffeine as a cancer preventive in humans by adding it to a common moisturiser, Dermabase. Before starting the study they decided to test Dermabase's carcinogenic activity.

To their surprise, they found that it increased the production of tumours in mice that had previously been exposed to ultraviolet light. They then tested three other common moisturisers, all of which increased the production of tumours by an average of 69 per cent.

The significance of the findings for humans has still to be established, the team reports in the Journal of Investigative Dermatology."

When I was over running in Balmoral I attended an interesting lecture with a lady who really made me sit up an take notice and be aware of some of the products we might use on a daily basis. I was surprised to find that Flora or indeed any kind of 'spread' was so much more bad for you than just plain old butter. I learned the ingredients of soaps and shampoos and deodorants, which to try and avoid, which were safe to use. But it's hard to be pure in our habits, hard to avoid heavily advertised products. Scientific studies such as this one serve to remind us that what we choose to use might have consequences. Certainly studies like this make my shoulders slump.
So moisturisers bad, coffee good? Will another report come out in a few weeks time suggesting coffee is bad again? That not using moisturisers containing SPF is bad for you?
Sigh. Doesn't everything seem to be so muddled today?



Blogger morgor said...

So much information and so much of it conflicting and changing.

Saw a clip on tv last night about how some monkeys use spears to catch fish.

muddle muddle muddle.

10:04 a.m.  
Blogger Conan Drumm said...

Blend one cold espresso with a quarter pound of butter. Apply. Notice instant tanning effect.

10:07 a.m.  
Blogger laughykate said...

I think what you should take from that is that we can commission any survey to prove any theory that we so desire to prove.

I also reckon that we've just evolved too much, we just know too much. If we lived by research results I think we'd all be living in wardrobes,popping out for three hours a day of sunlight and some brussel sprouts fresh from the garden.

And then we'd all die of boredom, not cancer.

And I know which I'd rather die of.

10:25 a.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Instant coffee brown.
Don't drink alcohol, bad for your liver, but a glass of red wine a day is good for your heart.
That's interesting about the monkeys, they use straws to take ants up out of ant hills too, and use rocks to break open shells. Clever.

10:26 a.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Wardrobe living, the very latest in high fashion.

10:26 a.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

There's a japanese Island Okinawa where folk live into their 100s, and it's mostly down to diet and exercise. They eat about 1,700 calories a day, most of it fresh fruit or fish, and they are very active. I think I'll try stick with that one.
Actually there might be something to it all, I did watch a documentary years ago about lab mice who were fed just above the starvation line and they outlived their higher calorie intaking mice pals by almost one third of their lifespan.
I wonder does it really work that way, restrict calories live longer?

10:33 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s hard to know really one of my friends was telling me that Nivea makes hairs grow on her face. I think all that toning malarkey is a tad excessive but all in all I am for moisturiser. I would hate wrinkles. I am a dedicated follower of Clarins. I don’t think you have to spend a fortune either my aunt always used Astral and doesn’t have a wrinkle to her name. She is 82. I like coffee and beer as well, I will be dead by 30.


10:46 a.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

But wrinkle free!

10:50 a.m.  
Anonymous Russell said...

What about moisturisers with UV protection in them? They have them in Oz, not sure about Ireland - you'd be mighty peeved if they done the total opposite of what they were supposed to do.

Seems like everything gives you cancer theses days.

11:09 a.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Exactly Russell. In fact because Ireland is not that hot or indeed sunny, people neglect sun screen and as a result we've got pretty high rates of skin cancer over here.

11:18 a.m.  
Blogger PI said...

In case you're interested; most of my long life I have used moisturisers - for the last few years Clinique's 'Dramatically different' and Super defense' and intend to continue to the death.

11:54 a.m.  
Anonymous Sniffle&Cry said...

New research carried out by fat middle aged fuckers suggests strongly ( 84%) that beer, cigarettes and four large glasses of any blended red wine are good for you and your wrinkles.

11:55 a.m.  
Anonymous Cate said...

Nonny your friend is right. Nivea contains Lanolin which should be avoided for anyone who is prone to facial hair or greasy skin. The best ones are the non oil based ones. Cliniqes Dramatically different is excellent but pricey, the cheaper (better in my opinion)option is Simples's light Hydrating moisturiser. Does exactly what it says on the tin and will save you a fortune. It's only around 6E

12:36 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No way Cate that is mad I thought she was just a tad gullible. Simple is good I use that and Clarins. Cliniqes burns my face for some mad reason. We will all look fabulous at our wakes.


12:43 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

I've stopped paying attention to all these millions of surveys do to exactly the fact that they change every day. So what's the point?
I try to figure out what works for me. I'm not the healthiest of persons, not the unhealthiest either.
And I'm all for the 'live a little' principle. I would hate to diet or not drink for my entire life with the hope to live a few years extra. I'd rather try to enjoy the life I have, for however many, or few, years that might be. No matter how healthy you are you can still die the next time you leave the house, being run over or whatever...

1:10 p.m.  
Blogger morgor said...

Eva and Nonny, you're both very morbid today. Cén fáth?

1:48 p.m.  
Blogger Medbh said...

They say that creams with caffeine are useful in improving circulation around your eyes to get rid of dark circles and puffy skin.

I'm on a skin experiment now and have not used any facial creams for two weeks. My skin seems to be about the same.

2:00 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Life is shit Mr.Morgor.


2:05 p.m.  
Blogger morgor said...

Life is shit Mr.Morgor.

I wouldn't turn to me for comfort but I would say that no-one should take life too seriously.

When it boils down to it, if you wanted you could always quit your job go on the dole and whittle wood for the rest of your life ;)

All stresses are optional.

Unless you have kids ...

2:36 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

I like SImple products too. Cheap and easy on the skin.
Holy crap, speaking of moisture- and we were- the Phoenix park is as flooded as I've ever seen it. The pitches are like bogs. I am besplattered and decidedly filthy.

2:40 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

I would like to add to Nonny's last comment, 'life is shit', and were all gonna die, hurrah!!


3:02 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can’t quit my job I want to create world peace and improve the lives of poor children, I want to own a 1979 Porsche 911, work for the UN, gain critical acclaim then retire to a ridiculously big house and whilst the rest of the world perceive me a crazy old spinster I will spend my final days experimenting with LSD, bursting stray footballs belonging to school children, calling the police for noisy neighbours and making cardigans from little girls hair. Eva might be my accomplice.

Guess I’ll just have to moisturise and press on.


3:04 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

I'm right behind you Nonny!! Pass me the moisturiser! :)

3:09 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Christ I was gonna say life's pretty good*, it's not raining today, running was mucky but I enjoyed it, I got to pat a golden retriever puppy who was adorable and the paramour is making yellow curried prawns later on. There is wine.

* shrugs, probably won't last, might as well enjoy it.

3:14 p.m.  
Blogger jothemama said...

Read the Perricone Promise, by 'Dr Nick Perricone' - he seems to have cracked the wrinkles thing without use of chemicals and animal testing. Diet's where it's at.

Failing that, Dr Hauschka or Burt's Bees stuff is gorgeous.

3:15 p.m.  
Anonymous sheepworrier said...

"I would say that no-one should take life too seriously"
Course not Morgor - thats what the DUP are for.

3:15 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

WAIT! What sort of diet, what does he recommend? Don't have me go look stuff up myself. Is there rum in it?

3:20 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My sister sold Mary Kay stuff for a while, let me try out the anti-aging cleanser and moisturizer, and I promptly got a chemical burn. Anti-aging by literally removing the top few layers of one's skin, perhaps?

I tried some other creams for a while and saw no difference, so I'm on to the Cetaphil, cheap and extraordinarily kind to my skin. I very rarely see an advertisement for the brand, which leads me to believe it's probably one of the better products out there.

3:20 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

Oh I knew a woman who swore by chinese pearl powder (google it), I tried it but kept forgetting using it so in the end I don't know if it's any good... or bad..

3:35 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pearl Powder eh, emmm maybe I could ground up my old set. I have to buy new ones first but can't on account of my humanitarian reckoning. The fact that the oysters which produced my new pearls might die prevents me.


3:55 p.m.  
Blogger Medbh said...

Eva, I googled the pearl powder and I'm intrigued. Looks like you could get many dodgy brands. Is there one that you would recommend?

4:12 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

I'm afraid I can't recommend any.. I was given the pearl powder by a Chinese woman - and the text on the wrapping was all in Chinese so I wouldn't have any idea about brands... sorry. Guess it's a matter of doing some online research...?

4:28 p.m.  
Blogger Conan Drumm said...

Off topic. I thought you'd be glad to hear I ran into (in a manner of speaking) a reiki practicioner on a plane recently. An airplane, not an astral plane. I'm sure it wouldn't have stayed up if it weren't for her.

4:32 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noo, free the oysters man


4:43 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

'Freeeee, nelson mandela...'
Am in a funny mood, I know ;-)

4:50 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Conan, you've just described my idea of a nightmare. How did you know? Did they try to induct you into the hall of woo?

Eva, I KNOW what's yinning your yang, you hopeless romantic.

5:07 p.m.  
Anonymous eva said...

Oh you have noooo idea - I'm half way to the bloody moon....!! ;-)

5:16 p.m.  
Blogger Conan Drumm said...

It came about from being polite. Perfectly nice person but when that particular topic came up I had recourse to nodding. Angels were mentioned as well.

5:18 p.m.  
Blogger daisy mae said...

i get frustrated with "the latest reports" as well - but because the media grab a snippet of a scientific research article, don't necessarily understand it, blow it up to be bigger than it is, and all of a sudden nobody trusts science.

took a class in "science, objectivity, and values" and discussed how to go about changing that - after a few glasses of wine during class (philosophy courses are now my official favourite) we had tons of great ideas... none of them overly feasible, though. it's a shame, really.

5:19 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Eva, enjoy the good times and I hope it lasts way past wrinkles.


5:19 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

hah Daisy Mae, I ALWAYS have such good ideas after some wine too.

Conan, I don't know how you kept it together, I'd have throttled her. Angels, pffffft.

6:35 p.m.  
Blogger jothemama said...

Sorry, Fmc, I saw him on Oprah. His theory is an 'inflamation theory of ageing' - certain foods that cause wrinkles and ageing, sugars especially attach themselves to (I can't remember, inside your skin somehow) and drag it down. It's all science, don't worry, nothing new age about it. The diet's very common sense - lots of antioxidents, berries etc. Women need more protein, so more eggs, white meat, fish. Only good carbs, no white refined. It's a doable healthy diet, I think, but too meaty and fish rich for me - so because of that and the fact that I got it in the Recycling centre, you're welcome to it if you want to send me your address - infantasiablogATgmailDOTcom

I can't promise speedy delivery, but I'll get it to you in the end.

7:59 p.m.  
Anonymous problemchildbride said...

I tried that Roc with Retinol when it first came out. My face was redder than a turkey's wattle for about 3 days following.

8:13 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

I would like to tkae a look Jo thanks, it sounds v interesting. plz to send to fatmammycatatgmaildotcom.

Sam, I can't use ROC either, it irritates my skin something wicked. Must not be for celts.

8:23 p.m.  
Blogger Medbh said...

Have you seen that show "10 Year Younger"?

They take women and put them in a plastic booth and then poll pedestrians to see how old they look. It's brutal.
Then they give her a makeoever to look younger which almost always involves laser treatments or peels to address sun damage, teeth whitening, laser eye thing, then new hair, makeup and clothes.

8:51 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

That sounds horrible. Random people judging ordinary folk and then some producer waves a cheque at the poor rubes to 'make them over'? Sounds like The Swan, and I always hated that show.

9:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am always worried I will get crinkles from running.

Inn other news I have been trying out weights in the gym and have just been you tube'ing demos, I came accross this,

Weights are bad my fwiend, verwy bad.


9:51 p.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Yep, saw that in the daily wail yesterday, poor guy, how painful.

10:01 p.m.  
Blogger jothemama said...

'Tis a book, Fmc, I need your real address, I'm afraid. You could have me send it to your work, or next door neighbour if you're scared I'm a looney :)

11:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My mother has really oily skin and no wrinkles, and her sister has quite dry skin, and lots - both live kinda the same (in terms of diet, coffee, drinks, exercise etc), and both use the posher end of the 'product' range . I've cursed my blackheads for years - but maybe I'll be thankful when I get older?!


11:38 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I felt so bad for him god love him.

Jo gmail is ginormous and could recieve a book.

11:42 p.m.  
Anonymous Penelope_CA said...

as I'm reading this for some reason Joe Jackson's song "Cancer" keeps running through my head

4:47 a.m.  
Blogger jothemama said...

So if I post a book to a gmail address, it will arrive at FMC's house?

This isn't Willy Wonka! IT'S A REAL, PAPER, BOOK. I don't know how to say it any clearer!

8:52 a.m.  
Blogger morgor said...

Just try it anyway Jo.

10:22 a.m.  
Blogger fatmammycat said...

Sorry Jo, I though it was a PDF. No worries.

Penelope, if that's stuck in my head all day I'll send goldilocks round your way.

Sheesh, me too, oily skin runs in the family, the only good thing I inherited from the Lilac Couch.

10:52 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The most important guideline to stay away from the skin wrinkles is to avoid the exposure of your skin to the sun. UV rays my harm your skin. Make sure that you apply sun screen lotions before you move out of your house. Ensure that you keep the whole of your body covered to the maximum possible extent.

Drink as much water as you can. Fresh carrot juice can do a lot of good to your skin. Drink a glass full of this juice daily for a period of a fortnight and you will be dumbstruck to see the changes on your skin.


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